O•VAD•YA
is a new adventure in music. Six unique people
combined to fuse an utterly uncategorizable, addicitve
sound. The originator's [Hurley] previous band
received affirmations such as label offers, positive
reviews from Chicago Tribune, Illinois Entertainer,
Guitar World, New York's CMU and charting in CMJ,
etc., etc., and is excited about the unique combination
found in these seven people to flesh out an extremely
unusual aural journey...
BS: Starting off, what
are the instruments that you all play?
Deeanne Ebner: Rhythm Guitar, Lead and Backing
Vocals, Acoustic Guitar
Roger Ebner: Tenor sax, Wind Synth, Duduk
Ben Ebner (sometimes play with us): Dumbek, Oud
Linda Wolf: Electric Violin, Alto Sax, Vocals
M Hurley: Lead and “lhthm” guitar, some bass,
mandolin, some banjo, acoustic in multi tunings
lead and backing vocals, most songs
Jordan “Pi” Lemon: Drums and Percussion
BS:
When
did you start to play them?
Hmmm, I’ll guess based on what the guys have told
me:
Linda grew up playing viola, and picked up sax
in college, just to see if she could do it. She
also is learning drums and bass. Deanne picked
up guitar early teens (it won out over gymnastics);
Roger in Junior High (Sax) and is learning the
Duduk, an Armenian reed instrument for the MidEast
textures. Pi wanted to play drums as a kid but
couldn't for various reasons and then as an adult
(34) started. Then when he was taking jazz lessons
I found him slumped over the xerox one day and
asked him to flounder around in our band. I started
at 8 or 9. I saw my first electric guitar as a
kid and went ape-doodoo. So I hocked my mom and
she bought me a railroad tie with an action of
six inches off the neck from Turnstile and the
rest is history. Ben (he's 20) is a born genius.
His mom had an unusually hard labor and when they
pulled Ben out he was clutching in his tiny little
fingers, a Dumbek. Even then. No kidding.
BS:
When
did you start performing in public?
I was 16, coffee houses. Linda, maybe college?
Roger in college, Deanne as a teen, Pi-ball—well
with us...
How did you all meet to form the band? I had a
band (a very serious band aiming strictly to the
major labels, back when we were all several pounds
and years lighter). Just when things were heating
up, I got sick and was out of the scene. Then
after five years, I asked a friend just to consider
maybe doing a couple open mics. That friend plus
Linda, plus another friend who did us a favor
by playing bass made “Ovadya lite.” I decided
to resurrect my harder stuff and nabbed Pi over
a xerox machine (he heard me play bass and was
stupid enough ask if I was a musician).
We needed a bass player and mutual friends knew
of a one who joined, and Deanne went to my congregation.
I saw the passion with which she led the music
and sang (granted, not rock and roll but I forgave
her) and I wanted to ask her to consider. So she
joined dragging Roger and our horn section was
born. (What's amusing to me is that up til then
the way I always formed bands was to do the auditions,
the display ads, the music referral services,
the flyers. This was all pretty fluky and casual.)
What were some of your individual influences in
music and how did that shape the development of
O Vad Ya? (In terms of the music and artist related
influences.)
Linda: Earth Wind and Fire, Roger, bands like
Rat Dog, Pi: Zappa, Flecktones, Zappa, anyone
who ever played with Zappa, and more Zappa, and
me, well my tastes are frightening. Let's just
say that if you stuck Rachid Taja, System of a
Down, Hassan Erraji, Shlomo Bar, Tuvan Throat
Singing and Kings X in a blender I'd be severely
happy. (Don't know the names? World/Ethnic music
+ Hard psychedelic rock = bliss.)
BS:
Where
did the name come from?
I forced it on the band basically. I lived in
Israel briefly, studying for a Mdiv degree I didn't
finish and partying in the Mea Shearim. I liked
the sound of what is a common name over there,
Ovadya. (Ovadya's like "Mike" or "Bill.")
The dumbed down western way to say it which I
hate is Obadiah (As in “OO Buh Dah yuh, hand me
that there six pack will ya?”) we are not Obuddahya.
Anyway the name actually means “Servant of God”
which I suspect is a lot to live up to. Turns
out there's more to it: Ovadya is a famous ger
in Judaism (which means convert). One reason I
was in Israel was to wrestle personally with the
whole who is the messiah business and other things.
I had considered a traditional ("Orthodox")
conversion to Judaism. I didn't make that connection
tho until about three years after the band was
around (thanks Ben and Katherine).
BS:
What
would you consider to be highlights of your aural
journey into becoming O•Vad•Ya?
Yikes. Probably not in individual experiences
but in two areas: One is discovering that the
whole can truly be greater then the individuals.
Even as the main songwriter, when things jell,
ands there's a chemistry between six very disparate
parts, it's priceless. Two is in moments of transcendence
if we are able to connect meaningfully with the
audience and individuals thru both playing and
lyrics.
BS:
Who
is the main song writer and who does the musical
arrangements?
I usually present a fairly complete song and bark
out what I want (“More purple!!!”) and then the
band takes it over and it morphs into something
totally other (see for example, Horeni, when we
do it live. A lot of that is due to our then-bass
player, Dave Greenspan. He just took it and spun
it.)
BS:
How
does the song writing come about? Life.
Deanne likes to say I write about death. Much
as that is an admirable goal, I have to say there
is a “melancholy hope,” to quote a friend behind
this stuff. My dad was a violent alcoholic and
we grew up in that environment. My mom struggled
to keep things together and left us alone. It
was a fertile environment to write in. My dad's
legacy to me was providing a painful catalyst
to write.
BS:
Do
you write the music first then song or song first
then musical arrangement?
Yes.
BS:
Molly I have read that you are self taught musician.
What is the upshot of being self taught as opposed
to having lessons?
Yee ha! (see below [tuning descriptors] for evidence
of the limits of self taughtness.)
BS:
I
also read you play 11 different tunings?
10, but thanks. Not all ten at a show (thank G-d).
(Double unison tuning, CGCGCD, DADGAD, EADGBE,
Open G, Open C, Drop D, Drop D with a twist, open
C with a twist, fourths, Nashville hmmm. I guess
it's eleven. I'm shitty at math.)
BS:
How
do you describe your style of play guitar or mandolin?
“Lead and Lhythm.” Found out the hard way. I don’t
play straight “rhythm” on anything. I do stuff
that is kind of wacky or so I've been told. In
other bands and with excellent lead guitarists,
they always took the straight leads because they
couldn't give me what I wanted (which is actually
contrapuntal.) Good examples of that are Sleeping
Giant on Driftless and in our current tune Techezena.
Listen for the delay guitar (which may sound like
a synth; it's not. Then there are leads over it;
but there are also rhythm guitars underneath,
so I coined the phrase “lhythm” tho I'm sure there's
a real name for it somewhere.
BS:
Molly your guitar playing style sounds like fret
picking with your own running bass line, how did
that come about to create the musical arrangement
for some of the songs?
Hmmm. I think any guitar playing built into a
song (and the lyrics) that I write is just my
own weird stuff/style. And it is built into the
song. So for instance if someone wanted to learn
the song Sleeping Giant, they couldn't just play
some chords, Therefore, it sets a tone for any
layering of arrangements after that. So to a degree
since the guitar is the matrix over which a song
is hung (and for someone else it could be keys
which is a whole different approach) any layering
fits it. Example: If I presented a straight 1-4-5
2 bar blues, that immediately would unconsciously
dictate approaches that we all came up with to
arrange the song further.
BS:
How
would you describe your vocal tones and range?
It seems very harmonic in style, which I can't
quite compare to anyone artist when describing
you to others. Maybe seemlier to Joni Mitchell
or sometimes I get hints of Sandy Denny or even
Kate Wolf in your vocals. Right now I am so not
impressed with my vocals. I frighten me. Really.
Pi once asked in a nice way if my being sick changed
uh... you know... my vocals. I think my voice
used to be better, now it's just weird, but as
we say about ugly talented actors in Hollywood,
they're “Character” actors. My voice has character.
That's why I asked Deanne who can blend and carry
a tune and drive a tune amazingly. It makes me
sound better.
Anyway,
tho you are dead on. I have from the age of 17
been compared to Joni Mitchell, and also, by Illinois
Entertainer and others, Sandy Denny, etc. that's
probably because of what I'll call the glottal
jumps. (Yodel or voice breaks). The harmonies
were always there (I could hear them starting
at age five). But my world expanded when a friend
introduced me to Balkan harmonies, scales, intervals
and esthetics (very different valuations on “good”
voices), plus my time in Israel listening to Sefardic
and Arabic music.
Molly your open tuning as been compared to that
of Leo Kottke, Michael Hedge, Eric Johnson and
others. Would you say that is a fair comparison
to your guitar style? No. I am so not a genius
like these guys. But I'm good at the .0000027
unique stuff I do. People compared me to a guy
name Jorma Kaukonen, but I'll leave comparisons
for others.
BS:
Would
you say your style is a mere mélange of
blues licks, jazz chords and folks fingering?
Got me. Those adjectives sound like "Folk"
and then when I thing of folk I think of Pete
Seeger and strummed C chords. Our happy problem
as a band is that (and this has been echoed by
industry, not just the bass player’s girlfriend,
etc) is that people can't come up with stuff to
compare us to (in a good way). There's Horeni
which truly veers into hard-core neo-metal, ending
on an explosive Balkan style (think Ivo Pappasov’s
Bulgarian Wedding Jazz band) ending after dipping
into classic mid east harmonic minor scales. There's
an “acoustic” song called Kaddish that starts
out literally with a Turkish nikriz then veers
into delta blues with a butt load of modal rock
in between.
BS: What
makes your songs so transcendently powerful on
the CD Driftless and the new EP Black Fire?
Songs like “Blue Tubes” and “Kaddish” from Driftless
which were my favorites; they seemed so delectable
irresistible as well written tunes. Thanks. I
hope they are powerful. Some people listen for
a beat and a melody and their head takes them
places as they listen. I do too. But we hope people
read the lyrics. These songs are usually about
struggles (like all of us) but sometimes with
g-d thrown in the mix. For instance, Kaddish (named
after a beautiful, traditional Jewish prayer said
for a loved one who has passed away) is a true
story. Before my mom died who I had been very
close to, I had three dreams that she was going
to die. We really did get a letter from her the
day we found out. The last time I saw her, I knew
it was the last. So in the song when I sing “Now
that she is gone, it's finally you and me and
you’re invisible, and all I want is once to see”
is a dialogue with G-d. people will get what they
want from these tunes, and I hope they (and us)
get more.
BS: Would
you describe yourself as a neo-psychedelic world
fusion band? Yep. You cheated. You read
our web site.
BS: I
find your music is complex and multi-layered with
different genres would you agree?
Yep.
BS:
Where does the Jewish influence in your
music come from?
For me: Israel experience, my prior commitment
to Jewish people and culture. (That came ironically—or
not—thru the back door of wrestling with the messiah
business and my catholic-but-multi-cultured background
[relatives were Jewish by marriage so I grew up
comfortable both cultures] and all that led me
into traditional Jewish sources. For the rest
of the bandies, they have been involved also in
Jewish culture/community in various ways and Deanne
knows Jewish liturgical music so some of the jumps
are pretty easy. (Got that? There’ll be a quiz
next Tuesday.)
It is always hard to be objective about your own
work, but what are the positives and negatives
to your CD Driftless? Negatives: failing to capture
what (at least I think what) we sound like live,
especially on 9-1-1. I wanted certain tunes to
be harder or more dynamic, to be faithful to the
original vision in our heads. Positives: Roger
found us Blaise Barton, a meticulous engineer,
and drove the initial CD. So the CD could take
shape. Oh yeah, and of course the art. THE ART
IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOL!!
BS: How
do you feel your music impacts people around you?
I dunno. If we are faithful to pull off a night
where there aren't instrument glitches, if we
can pull off the intricacies and the harmonies
and get the meaning of songs thru, then hopefully
people can connect with something higher then
us all. If not, then, like Uncommon Ground recently,
people will connect with a transcendent blast
of ear-bleeding decibels. By accident!!! I'm so
sorry!!! Really!!
BS: How
do you all feel when performing and interacting
with the audience? It's a challenge for
anyone “up there” to break thru an invisible fourth
wall. When it happens it's amazing.
BS: What
would you describe as your best work?
One night in Columbus Ohio in 2000. I had a jones
to jam. We pulled our guitars in a hotel hallway
(not my band, just me and some friends.) We all
played and a huge crowd gathered around and we
were all swept up into someone bigger then ourselves.
BS:
Since
your music has a lot of musical influence, how
do you feel certain cultures perceive music?
Way differently in some ways then Madison Avenue
can ever dream of. I think of Bedouin campfires
in the Negev, or singing off key powerful thousand
year old songs in a Shabbat meal, or Rapa Iti
Tahititian choir micro-tonal harmonized quarter-note
walk up singing. There's some seriously outrageous
stuff out there that would blow many of us away.
It has nothing to so with MTV. On the other hand
music is truly the universal language; I've seen
it and sung it in other cultures and probably
a lot of the readers out there could add their
own experiences similar.
BS:
Does
that help change music and the way people look
at music?
People change and evolve and so do their art forms.
That process is sped up when we cross pollinate.
BS:
How
does this perceive notions affect the bands creative
style in music?
I think everyone in the band O•VAD•YA is open
to “world” influences and we’re all developing
in ways we never thought we would go.
BS:
The
paradox of music is that it is always changing
and regenerating whether through culture or creativity.
How far do all of you feel we go to protect the
rights of change in music?
In our music? Art changes and is necessarily dynamic.
In art school our teachers talked about knowing
when something was “done” versus not. All the
music we do is open to changes, but sometimes
we also decide that something is done.
If you mean in culture at large: because of my
art school background, I am rabid believer in
the intention making what becomes “art.” Intentions
and aesthetics change. And therefore art forms
change. Rap is one of the best samples of a modernized
quatrain fusing with traditional African tribal
call and response forms (of course it is much
more then that). I respect it. (I also acknowledge
that there is such a thing as bad and good art,
including the song as an art form. To me a song
should ideally be art.)
BS:
Do
you feel it is ok to let the advertising psychology
and major labels dictate the change in music?
They don't anymore. That's why my band and tons
of others are doing what we're doing. Advertising
does reign supreme, tho. So it's a mix of self-hypage
that bands have to do that's kind of weird but
a necessity. There's a whole other area of discussion
someday on the egregious double standards for
women in rock. Briefly put, that's where being
a highly visual (being translated specifically
to mean—sexuality and only sexuality) culture
works against some artists who are not rated in
a true artistic meritocracy but by low brow ad
standards. But again that's a whole other dissertation.
BS:
What did it feel like to be on the local anesthetic
Great. It was a 16th moment of fame/affirnation
(at least for a cuple minutes) that the vision
of what we do is maybe “caught” by others.
and have acclaimed music journalist Richard Miline’s
from WXRT radio review the CD or Madalyn Sklar
founder of GoGirls Music? Great. In my rare, better
moments it would be nice to think that music could
change the world.
BS: I’m
impressed by artists that can write really good
music and lyrics. Molly since you’re the lead
song writer and singer, if you were around a campfire,
whose music would you be inspired to sing and
play other then your own?
If I could do it, Tom Waites. He's phenomenal.
Or Dylan Thomas or John Dunne if they could be
put to music. Traditional Hebrew tunes (like for
instance 10th century Iraqi stuff) rocks ass.
Well, thank you very much for answering
these questions for us today, we sincerely appreciate
it!